Facebook

Login

Support Sailonline

If you haven't already - join the SAILONLINE YACHT CLUB!

Please also consider making a donation - all amounts are greatly appreciated!

Board » Technical Support » qTVlm wish list #3.

Page: 1 2 3 Next

Posted by
JB


Users avatar

Posts
305
Registered at
2013-03-07 08:54:34
2016-07-01 14:23:21 - qTVlm wish list #3.
After the new qT 5.3.7 version my wish list (now, the #3) didn’t change at all.

What I would like to have:

1 - Possibility to pause and resume the “routing” routine calculation.

2 - Elimination of the annoying extra imposed tack/gybe waypoints on the “routing” calculation before boat effectively changes direction.

3 - Resulting from waypoints over decimation, during the “Simplifying” process the calculated ETA normally is bigger than the initial calculated one. In that situation the ”Simplifying” process should be immediately automatically stopped.

4 - To avoid/reduce, namely, the jigsaw calculated “routes”, possibility to define and impose a minimum time delay between consecutive boat maneuvers, with a time parameter for tacks and another one for gybes.

5 - Possibility to superimpose the initial calculated Isochrones and the final calculated ”route” (after applying the Simplifying and Optimizing processes).

6 - Possibility to make a free hand selection of the calculated waypoints (now, only available the rectangular shape selection area).

7 - Boat “Polar analysis” was better in the previous versions where you could see all the Polar curves using with the “Display all” option. That option disappeared (?!).

8 - VMGUp and VMGDown points shown in the Polar Curves.
Sail Fair.
Posted by
maitai


Users avatar

Posts
114
Registered at
2016-02-25 08:15:33
2016-07-01 16:47:43 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
Quick answer:

This minor release was mainly meant to fix a small issue with VLM mode.

I don't quite understand your point 2) . Is it related to 4) ?

Concerning point 4): This aspect has been greatly improved already in 5.3.6. Did you check it? There is a chapter on that in the documentation.

Point 3) The simplifying process may increase a little ETA if you choose "Maximum simplification". Choose "Optimum simplification" if you don't want this to occur.

Point 7) Yes it has been removed, on purpose because unreadable most of the time.

Point 8) Values are shown on the right panel. Do you mean to show them also graphically?

Philippe.






--- Dernière modification par maitai le 2016-07-01 16:48:07 ---
Posted by
JB


Users avatar

Posts
305
Registered at
2013-03-07 08:54:34
2016-07-02 08:41:42 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
Viva Philippe.

Thank you for your reply.

2) and 4) are different problems.

2) qt always tries to add an extra tack or gybe right before effectively change the boat route direction. This is irritant because you have to spend more time hand trimming that extra generated waypoint. This problem is particularly agravated when the routed path goes downwind.

But more. With the last release I started to get with res wind Gribs "breaks" in long curved routed paths after making the Simplifying process. Instead of having a continuous curve, qT tries to break allong the curve with a manouveur in direction to the curve center. I give you a clue: smooth curves, is the drill.

4) Especially downwind, comes the second described problem, the jigsaw path, when qT generates (as an example) #10 gybes in 10 minutes, i.e., going for a boat manouveur in every minimum Time Step (1 minute) that qT allows. If you are using the mentioned minimum TS the number of extra tack waypoints to be trimmed after is huge. With the Loss of Performance you get in every manouveur you make, it's not logical that qT finds out that the quickest path is the one using a larger quantity of directions changes (tacks).
On one side of the "equation" we need to have hi res wind Grib files and a shorter TS. On the other, qT over stretches the results generating more than abundant waypoints. Hence my suggestion to apply different limitating parameters in 4).

3) My dear Philippe, I never use the "Maximum" option. Never. Even so... ETA goes up which is a nuisance.

7) Well, with the actual by default Polar window size that unreadable problem shouldn't occur, no? Pls have a try on that.

8) Yes, correct. Also graphically.

Thank you Philippe.
Sail Fair.
Posted by
maitai


Users avatar

Posts
114
Registered at
2016-02-25 08:15:33
2016-07-02 08:53:28 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
For the 4):

Even if you don't specify an actual polar penalty for tack and gybes, you can specify a number of cranks duration for tacking. For instance if you put 10 there, and your crank is 1mn, qtVlm wont be able to tack or gybes for 10 minutes after a tack or a gybe.

--- Dernière modification par maitai le 2016-07-02 08:53:58 ---
Posted by
JB


Users avatar

Posts
305
Registered at
2013-03-07 08:54:34
2016-07-02 13:37:10 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
Ok, I'm going to try it with 5 cranks/minutes for a FIRST 47.7.
Anyhow, the qT limitation is equal for tacks and gybes, when it should be different.
Sail Fair.
Posted by
JB


Users avatar

Posts
305
Registered at
2013-03-07 08:54:34
2016-07-02 14:33:21 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
Sorry Philippe but... no go. The problema remains, qT tries to put allways that anoying extra waypoint for a gybe.

Something here tell's me that the minimum TS/crank is (?) in conflict with the time for delay on boat maneuvers.
Sail Fair.
Posted by
maitai


Users avatar

Posts
114
Registered at
2016-02-25 08:15:33
2016-07-02 15:04:58 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
Probably I don't understand what is your extra waypoint for a gybe. Can you join a screenshot?
Posted by
JB


Users avatar

Posts
305
Registered at
2013-03-07 08:54:34
2016-07-03 15:22:42 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
Viva Philippe.

Pls see attached PDF file.

Thank you.
Sail Fair.
Attachments
Posted by
maitai


Users avatar

Posts
114
Registered at
2016-02-25 08:15:33
2016-07-03 18:12:52 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
Hmm that is gonna take a bit of time, and I am leaving for vacation in a couple of days for almost 3 weeks ;)

Can you send me via email an export of your configuration including polar please?

Posted by
JB


Users avatar

Posts
305
Registered at
2013-03-07 08:54:34
2016-07-03 19:59:45 - Re: qTVlm wish list #3.
Viva Philippe.

I can send you everything you need..mais, quelle est ton email, Philippe?

(mon email: pertisjm@net.sapo.pt )
Sail Fair.

Page: 1 2 3 Next

Please login to post a reply.

Races

Next Race: 00d 00h 00m

Current Races:

Roma Giraglia Regata 2026

Our eighth race of nine to celebrate all things Mediterranean - fickle winds, history and olive oil – is another buddy-up; this one with the Circolo Nautico Riva di Traiano . Founded in 1984, as the new Traiano yacht Harbour neared completion, the Circola since then has developed into one of the major yachting competition centres in Italy, and next to the 450nm Roma per Tutti (which SOL buddied earlier in the year), the Roma Giraglia Regata is its other headline offshore event. First raced in 2005, the 210nm course takes competitors from Traiano to a rock on the inside of the Ile de la Giraglia off the northern tip of Corsica and back to the Italian mainland for a finish in the bay of Santo Stefano. We’re racing this one in our Class 40!
Race #2058
INFO by brainaid.de
Class 40 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: MED - SUPBUD - SYC
Race starts: Oct 08th 16:00 Registration Open!

▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Arctic Tern - Greenland to Antarctica 2025

Welcome to the fifth leg of our MIG series. Now it's time to race the Arctic Terns, on their migration from Greenland to Antarctica, 8300 NM. This is also part of our monthly Ocean Championship, and as such the first race of OCQ4 2026. This race will be sailed in our Maxi Trimaran. Race #2061
INFO by brainaid.de
Maxi Trimaran PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230 Ranking:
OCQ4 - OCCH - SYC - MIG
Race starts: Oct 05th 11:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Bornholm PYOC


Welcome to the Baltic Sea, where we are about to hold another sprint race. The course runs from the north to the south of the beautiful Bornholm island. There are only two waypoints, the start and the finish so the choice of which side of the island to sail along is up to you. Our Albin 79s will cover a distance of approximately 23 nautical miles.
Race #2064
INFO by brainaid.de
Albin 79 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0245 / 0845 / 1445 / 2045
Ranking: SPQ4 - SPCH - SYC
Race starts: Oct 03rd 06:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Cross the Convergence 2026 - Masirah to Chagos


Having crossed, re-crossed and re-re-crossed the Convergence Zones of the Pacific and the Atlantic, we now face our second crossing of the Convergence Zone of the World’s third great equator-spanning sea, the Indian Ocean, taking us from the channel between Masirah Island and the Oman mainland to the Chagos Archipelago. It’s 1900nm and we’ll be sailing our very fine Archer 78, and won’t mention that both locations (of departure and arrival) are heavily militarized and the why’s and what next’s concerning that – mindful as always of SOL Netiquette.
Race #1988
INFOby brainaid.de
Archer 78PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: CCZ - SYC
Race starts: Oct 02nd 18:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Carib Rum Run 2026


Ahoy, ye landlubbers and seasoned salts! Welcome back to Sailonline’s legendary Carib Rum Run, perfectly timed to kick off on International Talk Like a Pirate Day, 19 September!

This year, we command the magnificent Falkun—the ultimate high-tech superyacht modeled after the iconic Maltese Falcon. This 1759nm slalom takes us through the Caribbean’s rum islands to plunder barrels from local distilleries and deliver them to the rum-parched sands of Cancun.

Join SYC before the finish to disguise yer boat with a pirate name for this race only. Hoist the sails, sharpen yer cutlasses, and plot your winning course!
Race #2060
INFO by brainaid.de
Falkun PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC
Race starts: Sep 19th 05:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Shearwater - Rio de la Plata to Irish Sea 2026

Welcome to the fourth leg of our MIG series. This time we're racing the Sooty Shearwater on their migration from the breeding grounds in South America to the northern Atlantic. This is also part of our Ocean Championship, and as such the third race of OCQ3 2026. This race will be sailed in our Gunboat 90. Race #2055
INFO by brainaid.de
GunBoat 90 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
OCQ3 - OCCH - SYC - MIG
RACE CLOSE: Thursday,
October 1 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Sep 02nd 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Go to race archive

SYC Ranking

  1. Sailonline Yacht Club Member KaSToR
  2. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CriticalHippo
  3. Sailonline Yacht Club Member WRmirekd
  4. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rafa
  5. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Panpyc
  6. Sailonline Yacht Club Member cdhinman
  7. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rumskib
  8. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rthinman
  9. Sailonline Yacht Club Member BRENTGRAY
  10. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Sax747

View full list

Series

Mobile Client

SYC members have the benefit of access to our mobile/lightweight web client!

The mobile client