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Posted by Rod Posts 392 Registered at 2010-06-24 22:30:48	2011-07-18 16:42:17 - Discrepancies needing repair
	In view of the fuss and controversy that has developed over the last few weeks in SOL racing":- 1. Boat-sitting, and the "One sailor-one boat" rule. 2. Moving the ends of the finish line after some boats had made tacks to be able to finish (as in the NZ race). 3. Mark rounding "rules" broken because of a programming error. 4. The preference apparently given to some in the execution of commands to start, to change course, and to round marks. :---should we have a forum column in which SOLers can report errors of this nature without being accused of 'interfering' with other sailors long-established ways of 'playing the game'? These things should not be treated as "complaint", but instead as valid attempts to improve the operation of what is increasingly becoming a highly competitive method of "armchair sailing practice". If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Posted by 76Trombones Posts 362 Registered at 2009-08-03 18:04:56	2011-07-18 18:01:03 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	1. Boat-sitting, and the "One sailor-one boat" rule. We have a thread (or ten) for that one. So far nobody has accepted my or RC's invitations to suggest solutions. 2. Moving the ends of the finish line after some boats had made tacks to be able to finish (as in the NZ race). A mistake was made, case closed. If we wish, Rules on when changes may be made to the course could be added to the "Racing Rules of SOL" for which suggestions have been solicited. It was one of the categories proposed. So far no takers. 3. Mark rounding "rules" broken because of a programming error. Also covered in the existing thread(s). Same solution, same results. Lots of complaints but no solutions. 4. The preference apparently given to some in the execution of commands to start, to change course, and to round marks. Does not exist. Any perception otherwise is due to not paying attention to how SOL functions or reading of obsolete buried text (which no longer exists). SOL is currently being run day-to-day by volunteers. If the community wants something done they need to DO it.
Posted by mustang_sally Posts 24 Registered at 2011-04-23 14:01:51	2011-07-18 18:59:51 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	3. Mark rounding "rules" broken because of a programming error I thought you said no rule was broken!!!! I also thought it was SOL policy not to change anything once a race was under way as some would have already set DC's and might not be back to see change!
Posted by Sebensa Posts 70 Registered at 2010-10-06 14:50:36	2011-07-18 19:07:22 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	mustang_sally said @ 2011-07-18 18:59:51: 3. Mark rounding "rules" broken because of a programming error I thought you said no rule was broken!!!! I also thought it was SOL policy not to change anything once a race was under way as some would have already set DC's and might not be back to see change!
Posted by Sebensa Posts 70 Registered at 2010-10-06 14:50:36	2011-07-18 19:08:50 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	That's quite a lot of exclamation marks?
Posted by Rod Posts 392 Registered at 2010-06-24 22:30:48	2011-07-18 19:26:43 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	Unfortunately, no "solutions" can be presented by those who do not have programming access. I can suggest all the solutions I like, but if I get told that things "can't" be changed---what can I then do? Other than shut up about it and find some other game to play? Give this some serious thought, not platitudes about "this has been discussed before"----lots of things have been discussed, but "discussion" does not remedy things... If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Posted by A2 Posts 347 Registered at 2009-10-26 00:39:42	2011-07-18 19:26:48 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	Insert "do exclamation marks need to be rounded" joke here. Rod, Sir, With all due respect, These sentiments are not mere platitudes. This ground has indeed been covered before. From problem noted, opinions expressed, then as now, solution implemented. Complaints about I used to be able to do it before. Then Paradise Lost. Rinse. Repeat. --- Last Edited by 8mR Who at 2011-07-18 19:35:15 --- None so blind
Posted by mustang_sally Posts 24 Registered at 2011-04-23 14:01:51	2011-07-18 19:42:28 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	Trying to be heard, with the exclamation marks!!! But it seems as always, you only get heard and things done if you are in the "clique"!!!!!!!!!
Posted by 76Trombones Posts 362 Registered at 2009-08-03 18:04:56	2011-07-18 19:48:41 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	Rod's 4 points boil down to "the rules" and one imaginary one. You don't need to be a programmer to write concise rules. I can assure everyone that if something useful is suggested the coding will be taken care of. Boatsitting needs a "rule" written than clears up the ambiguity and matches what is possible to enforce. Rounding needs a "rule" written that clears up the ambiguity and matches what the server does. Procedure for notification and timing of race changes need a "rule" written that clears up the ambiguity and matches the way races are run. If the volunteer race committee makes and error, you file for redress under "the rules" and we throw out the result of the race. Nothing that has to be done needs coding. You write the software after you decide what it is you want it to do.
Posted by Rod Posts 392 Registered at 2010-06-24 22:30:48	2011-07-18 20:09:33 - Re: Discrepancies needing repair
	I do not know how to write a program that "automatically enforces" the 'rule' about 'One boat-one sailor' and would prohibit groups from running many boats, as well as boat-sitting. But I do know that a clear statement about the matter, which does not mean what is actually DONE, is not helpful. If a rule is not intended--then REMOVE the STATEMENT. If preference in timing of commands actually does occur, then state what it is. If it does not, then remove the statement---and tell us just how the server determines the order in which commands to start, to tack or gybe, are executed. I agree about the "rounding rules"---a programming error occurred, and it has been stated this will be remedied. Good! When? Moving the ends of a finish line after some have already finished---mistake admitted and hope will never happen again--Good. But "Keep quiet, don't mention these things, just go about your business and race!"--this does not help. If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.

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