Facebook

Login

Support Sailonline

If you haven't already - join the SAILONLINE YACHT CLUB!

Please also consider making a donation - all amounts are greatly appreciated!

Board » General Discussion » Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??

Page: First Previous 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Last

Posted by
ita10267


Users avatar

Posts
88
Registered at
2008-12-29 10:33:09
2011-04-06 06:05:41 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Aaron,
since the early days of SOL the term boatsitting has been used to define the mutual help between sailors to share each other boats destiny (i.e. by sharing the updates burden). This has always been accepted without any problem.

Now this topic, IMHO, is subtly (and willingly?) switching from the UC/Exmero fact (which is resolved given the will of Exmero to be RAF) during Leg 6 of RTW race to more personal stuff. In particular, us sailing the ITA_2011 boat.

We have clearly stated that when ITA_2011 is sailing the personal boats remain ashore, with the exception of Gilles during RTW because he asked the other ITA team members to be free from ITA duties and to sail his own boat. We stated this clearly in the forum and we have obeyed to this SELF imposed rule.

Now every discussion seems to trigger a recurrent problem with some of the users and our teamboat ITA_2011. Since this discussion will never reach to an agreed conclusion I would ask you to refer directly to the organizers of this game and call for ruling. Since we are all competing according to SOL rules, this should eventually be accepted by anyone.
Posted by
Jeroen


Users avatar

Posts
245
Registered at
2007-08-15 09:17:47
2011-04-06 08:23:00 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Thank you all for your posts in this topic.

I wan't to reply to the comments made earlier, we are looking at this with great interest and trying to work out a workable sollution for this issue. We have had this discussion a few times before but we are still looking for a way to implement this directly on the server side.

We wan't to avoid subjective ruling as much as possible and we are very hessistant to limit the current user freedom. Limiting acces to a single ip will also limit the freedom to check Sol on the road and at work. Also we strongly feel that Sol must be a open and fair community to all.

We are looking at some general rules to adres this initialy on the basis of a fair use policy. So we can adress the obvious cases.
Please let me know your thoughts on that idea, so we can turn this discussion into something productive.

Jeroen
I am a ex-admin of SOL who joins in from time to time.
Posted by
WhyNot


Users avatar

Posts
51
Registered at
2011-02-03 18:39:54
2011-04-06 09:57:10 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Is it possible to change SOL and not the rules?
Add three "flags" to each boat:
-Routing
-Sharing
-Single-handed, Own brain only.

Update the client to show own catagory only.
Change the server to rank according to category.

Commit to a category when entering a race.
Leave the categories to be a matter of trust.
Posted by
Rod


Users avatar

Posts
392
Registered at
2010-06-24 22:30:48
2011-04-06 15:47:40 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Our rules state that a sailor can have only one boat. This is stated when you register a boat.

The FAQ section states:-
Q: Can me and a friend "share" a boat although we do not share the same computer, or even live in the same country?

A: Yes, no problem. Just share your login details and you are all set to share the boat. Only question is - do you trust your friend?

Q: Why is it not allowed to have more than one boat?

A: We like to give all players a fair chance, multiple boats is considered cheating and therefore not allowed.

Are the FAQs part of the rules?

These are the things which need to be clarified. This is NOT an accusation of cheating---it is just 'confusion'.

--- Last Edited by Rod at 2011-04-06 15:50:02 ---
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Posted by
ybwlopud


Users avatar

Posts
6
Registered at
2008-10-08 18:12:45
2011-04-06 23:26:45 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Maybe someting as simple as a prefix to the boat name ie 1ybwlopud indicating one skipper or 2ybwlopud indicating 2 people are able to control the boat etc. This would enable you to quickly see in the boat names those boats with only 1 skipper for example by entering 1 in the search box
Posted by
NZL_PaulR


Users avatar

Posts
311
Registered at
2008-07-22 12:21:30
2011-04-07 09:12:37 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Ybwlopud: Certainly one idea that would indicate "division" but would NOT reflect in the results. Further each race you would have a different boat name possibly, which would further make more server traffic loads.

I would prefer that when you "ENTER" for any race, at the same time you select a boat type (but most races these days have only one boat type to choose from) one would additionally TICK (select) if you use "Routing Software", and if have more than one skipper (boat sharing). Otherwise you would be assumed to be a single skipper (Solo) with NO outside (routing software) help.

The BOAT Tab could have two extra colums indicating if you have Software and/or more than one skipper.

Additionally a declaration or change of status pop-up question where you can change the status for that race if necessary.

Then the results could have "divisional" results.

Therefore even though I finished in 127th fleet position, I was also 67th in "No Routing Software division" but amazingly a wonderful 35th in the "Single Skipper / Solo" division = YIPPEE!!!!!!

The results leaderboard only needs 2 extra columns for "places" and be able to be sorted on that basis.


--- Last Edited by Paul Rosser at 2011-04-07 09:15:29 ---
If it breaks, it's not strong enough!
Posted by
Gilles


Users avatar

Posts
127
Registered at
2009-07-18 11:05:22
2011-04-07 09:30:14 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Paul, and all...
(but not directly to Paul who has done many good points here, regardind skipper responsibility, time sleep etc...)
if you know, which boat is sailing how, you can work yourself the "YIPPEE!!!!!!" parts. I always know who are my "direct" competitor.
I do not need someone who tell me who is using a router, and I do not care, as I know I can beat any router with my brain 90% of the time.

Let me ask to you and other sailors:
till now in which category would put me in the actual Ron Miel regata?




to not bother in case the answer is: SOTP, single hand, no routing no sleeping.

--- Last Edited by Gilles at 2011-04-07 09:39:33 ---
Posted by
Jeroen


Users avatar

Posts
245
Registered at
2007-08-15 09:17:47
2011-04-07 09:44:36 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Great feedback guys

I certainly like the idea of divisions even if its just a gentlemans agreement - honesty thing. I also like the idea that Paul suggested to make this choice for individual races. Even though this would require some more bells and whistles to actualy make that work. This allows for a different approach in short and longer races too.

I understand the best way it to reflect this in the client in some way but that would certainly be a bit tricky keeping it simple and sleak like we want too. A easier way is to reflect this in serries and Sol rankings on the main page.

This is my personal opinion on this but I will have a chat and see if we can fit this into actual development.



--- Last Edited by Jeroen Tiel at 2011-04-07 11:18:51 ---
I am a ex-admin of SOL who joins in from time to time.
Posted by
WhyNot


Users avatar

Posts
51
Registered at
2011-02-03 18:39:54
2011-04-07 10:52:36 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Gilles: I belive you are sailing "own brain" as I am, but I take advantage of the "routers" choices a lot of the time.
I actually caught up to # 19 by chosing different than "routers", but then I got cockey (porce miseria) and made a stupid mistake aproaching Tenerife 2 which put me back where I belong.
Posted by
NZL_PaulR


Users avatar

Posts
311
Registered at
2008-07-22 12:21:30
2011-04-07 19:48:41 - Re: Is it cheating, unfair or acceptable??
Thanks Jeroen.

I strongly believe we need a declaration AFTER the finish, which is more important than at entry time, to confirm no "changes" have been made during the race.

Thus you may enter as "solo skipper" but if you run aground or sail wildly off course, then are rescued by somebody else, you can alter your status from "solo" to "multiple" skipper (boat sitting) for the final results.


--- Last Edited by Paul Rosser at 2011-04-07 19:50:57 ---
If it breaks, it's not strong enough!

Page: First Previous 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Last

Please login to post a reply.

Races

Next Race: 00d 00h 00m

Current Races:

Tasmania to Kamchatka 2026

Welcome to yet another all-new route. Tasmania to Kamchatka, part of our Ocean Championship and also the third leg of the ROW (Round the Old World) series. Be aware of the obstacles on the way, likely to split the fleet. It's like X:mas to X:mas, crossing the same waters, navigating the same archipelagos. This second race of OCQ2 2026 will be sailed in our revised 'version 2' Imoca 60 Foil. Race #2031
INFO by brainaid.de
Imoca 60 Foil v2 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: OCQ2 - ROW - OCCH - SYC
Race starts: May 04th 11:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Bay to Bay 2026 - Leg 2

After a thrilling opener, the 2026 edition of the Bay to Bay Yacht Race continues with Leg 2, bringing even more adrenaline and tactical excitement to the waters of the Great Sandy Marine Park. Our SOLers will once again take the helm of their ILCA 7, this time tackling a 24-nautical-mile course through shifting breezes and tight competition.
With fresh legs, sharper tactics, and everything to race for, it’s anyone’s game! See you on the start line for the grand finale!
Race #2024
INFO from brainaid.de
ILCA 7 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
RED - B2B - SUPBUD - SYC
Race starts: May 02nd 21:30 Registration will open soon
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Bay to Bay 2026 - Leg 1

Prepare for an electrifying start to the 2026 Bay to Bay Yacht Race! This first leg will see our SOLers take on a fast-paced, 16-nautical-mile sprint through the stunning waters of the Great Sandy Marine Park, weaving past the breathtaking landscapes of the Great Sandy National Park. Racing in ILCA 7, the fleet will battle shifting winds, tricky tactics, and fierce competition—all in pursuit of victory! With the thrill of the race and an unforgettable sailing experience ahead, we can’t wait to see you on the start line!
Race #2023
INFO from brainaid.de
ILCA 7 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
SPQ2-SPCH-B2B-SUPBUD-SYC
Race starts: May 02nd 02:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Regata dell’Accademia Navale 2026

Welcome to Sailonline’s partnership with the City of Livorno (Leghorn say the English) in cooperation with the local yacht clubs and the Italian Navy, offering all the online opportunity to race the famous Regata dell’Accademia Navale - 630nm in length. Starting and finishing in Livorno, this year the race takes you the length and breadth of the Tyrrhenian Sea via little Mortorio (Mortoriotto) off Sardinia to Capri and home again to Livorno. This race also counts towards Sailonline’s Magical Mediterranean Series and the SuperBuddy title. Online, you will be sailing a Mini 6.50, to give you a match against several of the real-life entrants, which you will be able to track on-screen!
Race #2020
INFO by brainaid.de
Mini 6.50 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: MED - SUPBUD - SYC
Race starts: Apr 25th 10:00 Registration Open!

▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Guess Gotland TIMED Race 2026

The Guess about Gotland is do we helm our First 27 solo east or west of the island in this 140 nm race. This is a TIMEDrace so you may RE-REGISTER HEREto try again after finishing a run. You will have 13 days and 11 hours to test your skill and decision making after the race opens.
Race #2030
INFOby brainaid.de
First 27 solo Particulars
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
TRQ2 - TRCH - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Saturday,
2 May at 23:00 UTC
Race starts: Apr 19th 12:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Rommel by Balloon 2026 - Through the Sahara


Generalfeldmarschall Johannes Erwin Eugen Rommel may have been that chivalrous, gallant tank commander of legend, led astray by the Prussian military traditions of loyalty and chain of command, but one thing he wasn’t, was mad. So, let’s do it anyway – not stick to the coast and the battle for logistical superiority – but depart the oases of Siwa south west into the desert for Agadez and its uranium. And let’s go by balloon, it’s only 2500km (1250nm)!
Race #1973
INFOby brainaid.de
SOL Balloon PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: BOL - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Sunday,
May 3 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Apr 07th 13:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Falklands to Tasmania 2026

Welcome to yet another all-new route. This next race is part of our Ocean Championship as well as the ROW series. Falklands to Tasmania, is like last year's island to island. It’s one of the longer ones 6400nm, more than half way around the world (and the Antarctica). It starts the 2026 OCQ2, and will be sailed in our Steinlager 2, contrary to prior notice.
Race #2021
INFO by brainaid.de
Steinlager 2 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: OCQ2 - ROW - OCCH - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Thursday,
May 7 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Apr 06th 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Go to race archive

SYC Ranking

  1. Sailonline Yacht Club Member WRmirekd
  2. Sailonline Yacht Club Member KaSToR
  3. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CriticalHippo
  4. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rumskib
  5. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rafa
  6. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Panpyc
  7. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CollegeFund
  8. Sailonline Yacht Club Member sassy63
  9. Sailonline Yacht Club Member vida
  10. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Sax747

View full list

Series

Mobile Client

SYC members have the benefit of access to our mobile/lightweight web client!

The mobile client