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2011-03-16 21:02:28 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
Here is my pic of africa's rounding of Mark3 which was used twice. The first time around missed, the second time was good.
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
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2011-03-16 21:08:35 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
High mag
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
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2011-03-16 21:52:56 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
The discussion about mark rounding in practice racing, my thoughts:

First of all, practice racing is fun and gives us a chance to get to know the boat.

Second: SOL is NOT designed for short courses with tight markroundings, due to server update times.

Third: I assume that any practice racing SOL-er will try to round the mark in a "sea-man-like" way.

With this three points in mind I don't care if any boat missed a mark where I know this boat tried to go round, otherwise it makes no sense to start at all, or start and just sail directly to finish.

What I do is wait till my boat jumped far enough, I am not timing/counting seconds to make the gamble of rounding.

You may check my course (I used boat Infusion)
If you're still in control, you're not going fast enough.
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2011-03-17 02:16:14 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
Is the "Good Old College Try" all that is needed to win?
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
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2011-03-17 15:05:07 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
If a sailor is in any doubt as to whether a Mark was rounded, there are two options:-
1. Go back and round properly.
2. Wait until the course line has fully developed, go into 'boat list', click on the Mark Boat to make it clearly visible, then examine your boat's track under highest magnification. If you did not round correctly, go back or take a DNF.
To examine the track of some other boat, click on that boat in the boats list, go to highest mag, and place cursor on the Mark Boat to clarify its image. Both the boat's track and the Mark should be clearly visible.
A boat MUST COMPLETE the Course.
Or what is the point of doing it at all?

--- Last Edited by Rod at 2011-03-17 20:26:56 ---
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
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2011-03-18 18:33:46 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
Ok, RainbowChaser and Newsartist are doing their utmost best to provide us with some nice races while not racing. Like a real racecommittee they plan races, put marks and update us about startingtimes and whatever more needed for racing.

If we want to take this practice racing THIS serious, I suggest we all buy a subscription for VSK or SailSimulator, where this kind of things are being punished by the game itsself.

I will keep on sailing here on SOL, as well as on VSK, two totally different games. Strategic vs tactical. And please mind the word "games" :-)

And no, "the old college try" is not enough, but fairness is.
I will quote Paul Elvström: "If in winning the
race you have lost the respect of your
competitors, you have not won the race."

Arthur



--- Last Edited by Arthur at 2011-03-18 18:57:04 ---

--- Last Edited by Arthur at 2011-03-18 19:00:38 ---
If you're still in control, you're not going fast enough.
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2011-03-19 01:55:25 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
I totally agree with Arthur!

These races are called practise-races and announced as fun.
As they are for practise, i'll try to do tight roundings... wide roundings are not exactly what i need to practise!
Of course, because i need this practis, there will be errors and as i'm not a complete beginner, they will be tight, hence only small advantage.
Because the Mentioned Elvstrøm citation, i post my fault and offer to take a penalty which i consider fair. i'm taking any other penalty, though, whenever the crowd comes up with a different one.
And for the same reason i exspect the same from any other sailor.

Under most circumstances, i consider going one hop in your opposit direction as fair, as it costs you by far more, than gaining was possible.

In allmost every case i will decline going back all the way to the mark, as i will lose that much, to make it allmost impossible to compare my sailing with others, to see how i perform. And practising without a comparism for your doing is almost senseless.

And at last: grab yourself a beer, relax and stop this nitpicking complains aboutothers, doing wrong penaltys... practise racing is for fun, winning is the minor matter. :-)
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2011-03-19 14:58:31 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
ROD,in the race I was suspicious of that rounding,so I did immediately a small triangle as penalty,which produced 70 pcnt longer route in that sequence + more loss of performance of such doing,as actually my perf after that rounding was down to 80.6 pcnt.
Moreover in second rounding and final course I did one more gybe in wrong direction and immediately back.Perf. down to 85 pcnt.

So if you still think it is not enough penalty than I accept for that race DNF

Damir(africa)
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2011-03-19 16:03:31 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
I too have missed rounding buoys in radio racing, usually due to eyesight depth perception at distances of 100-200 feet. Sometimes I have been able to see that I had done so. Sometimes due to the buoy being obscured by intervening boat sails, I could not see, but was informed by other sailors in the race. When this happens, you either return and round correctly or announce your withdrawal. There is no penalty.
Sometimes while rounding, the hull brushes or the end of the mainsail boom hits the buoy. Even when no one else notices, both events require a 360 deg turn penalty to be completed before the next rounding.
I realize that returning to round correctly, or taking a 360, almost always makes certain that you cannot win or even finish well, that is just the way the sailboat racing game is played according to the RRS. The only penalty for missing a buoy and STILL finishing, is a DSQ.
As in any other game, whether practice or not, if you do not play the game according to the rules, then you are not racing, you are just sailing around at leisure.
I did not intend this whole incident as being directed at you personally. You, yourself, announced some uncertainty about your own rounding. I merely checked, and confirmed that you had not rounded (before the race had ended). I seem to have drawn down upon my own head accusations of nit-picking and worse, when all I expected was a disappointed 'thanx'.
If I fail to round a buoy correctly, I expect you (and anyone else) to call it to my attention.
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
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2011-03-19 20:06:50 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
oh ROD,
don't give me the lessons on regatta sailing as am doing that in real life for over 50 years.

By the way in that race in question I had enough advantage to be able to make 270(or 360 if you wish) and still be first.I could have rounded the mark instead of making that triangle and would still be first.

We have the practice in this practice races if someone misses the mark for little to make the penalty(270 deg,or stop and go).

Therefore these are our rules.

Happy sailing ROD

Damir

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