Facebook

Login

Support Sailonline

If you haven't already - join the SAILONLINE YACHT CLUB!

Please also consider making a donation - all amounts are greatly appreciated!

Board » Practice Racing » GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing

Page: Previous 1 2 3 Next

Posted by
Rod


Users avatar

Posts
392
Registered at
2010-06-24 22:30:48
2011-03-16 21:02:28 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
Here is my pic of africa's rounding of Mark3 which was used twice. The first time around missed, the second time was good.
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Attachments
Posted by
Rod


Users avatar

Posts
392
Registered at
2010-06-24 22:30:48
2011-03-16 21:08:35 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
High mag
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Attachments
Posted by
Arthur


Users avatar

Posts
32
Registered at
2008-12-23 14:43:47
2011-03-16 21:52:56 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
The discussion about mark rounding in practice racing, my thoughts:

First of all, practice racing is fun and gives us a chance to get to know the boat.

Second: SOL is NOT designed for short courses with tight markroundings, due to server update times.

Third: I assume that any practice racing SOL-er will try to round the mark in a "sea-man-like" way.

With this three points in mind I don't care if any boat missed a mark where I know this boat tried to go round, otherwise it makes no sense to start at all, or start and just sail directly to finish.

What I do is wait till my boat jumped far enough, I am not timing/counting seconds to make the gamble of rounding.

You may check my course (I used boat Infusion)
If you're still in control, you're not going fast enough.
Posted by
Rod


Users avatar

Posts
392
Registered at
2010-06-24 22:30:48
2011-03-17 02:16:14 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
Is the "Good Old College Try" all that is needed to win?
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Posted by
Rod


Users avatar

Posts
392
Registered at
2010-06-24 22:30:48
2011-03-17 15:05:07 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
If a sailor is in any doubt as to whether a Mark was rounded, there are two options:-
1. Go back and round properly.
2. Wait until the course line has fully developed, go into 'boat list', click on the Mark Boat to make it clearly visible, then examine your boat's track under highest magnification. If you did not round correctly, go back or take a DNF.
To examine the track of some other boat, click on that boat in the boats list, go to highest mag, and place cursor on the Mark Boat to clarify its image. Both the boat's track and the Mark should be clearly visible.
A boat MUST COMPLETE the Course.
Or what is the point of doing it at all?

--- Last Edited by Rod at 2011-03-17 20:26:56 ---
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Posted by
Arthur


Users avatar

Posts
32
Registered at
2008-12-23 14:43:47
2011-03-18 18:33:46 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
Ok, RainbowChaser and Newsartist are doing their utmost best to provide us with some nice races while not racing. Like a real racecommittee they plan races, put marks and update us about startingtimes and whatever more needed for racing.

If we want to take this practice racing THIS serious, I suggest we all buy a subscription for VSK or SailSimulator, where this kind of things are being punished by the game itsself.

I will keep on sailing here on SOL, as well as on VSK, two totally different games. Strategic vs tactical. And please mind the word "games" :-)

And no, "the old college try" is not enough, but fairness is.
I will quote Paul Elvström: "If in winning the
race you have lost the respect of your
competitors, you have not won the race."

Arthur



--- Last Edited by Arthur at 2011-03-18 18:57:04 ---

--- Last Edited by Arthur at 2011-03-18 19:00:38 ---
If you're still in control, you're not going fast enough.
Posted by
Tazumaki


Users avatar

Posts
46
Registered at
2009-08-10 15:21:39
2011-03-19 01:55:25 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
I totally agree with Arthur!

These races are called practise-races and announced as fun.
As they are for practise, i'll try to do tight roundings... wide roundings are not exactly what i need to practise!
Of course, because i need this practis, there will be errors and as i'm not a complete beginner, they will be tight, hence only small advantage.
Because the Mentioned Elvstrøm citation, i post my fault and offer to take a penalty which i consider fair. i'm taking any other penalty, though, whenever the crowd comes up with a different one.
And for the same reason i exspect the same from any other sailor.

Under most circumstances, i consider going one hop in your opposit direction as fair, as it costs you by far more, than gaining was possible.

In allmost every case i will decline going back all the way to the mark, as i will lose that much, to make it allmost impossible to compare my sailing with others, to see how i perform. And practising without a comparism for your doing is almost senseless.

And at last: grab yourself a beer, relax and stop this nitpicking complains aboutothers, doing wrong penaltys... practise racing is for fun, winning is the minor matter. :-)
Posted by
Capt.D.P.


Users avatar

Posts
66
Registered at
2009-10-27 01:51:32
2011-03-19 14:58:31 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
ROD,in the race I was suspicious of that rounding,so I did immediately a small triangle as penalty,which produced 70 pcnt longer route in that sequence + more loss of performance of such doing,as actually my perf after that rounding was down to 80.6 pcnt.
Moreover in second rounding and final course I did one more gybe in wrong direction and immediately back.Perf. down to 85 pcnt.

So if you still think it is not enough penalty than I accept for that race DNF

Damir(africa)
Posted by
Rod


Users avatar

Posts
392
Registered at
2010-06-24 22:30:48
2011-03-19 16:03:31 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
I too have missed rounding buoys in radio racing, usually due to eyesight depth perception at distances of 100-200 feet. Sometimes I have been able to see that I had done so. Sometimes due to the buoy being obscured by intervening boat sails, I could not see, but was informed by other sailors in the race. When this happens, you either return and round correctly or announce your withdrawal. There is no penalty.
Sometimes while rounding, the hull brushes or the end of the mainsail boom hits the buoy. Even when no one else notices, both events require a 360 deg turn penalty to be completed before the next rounding.
I realize that returning to round correctly, or taking a 360, almost always makes certain that you cannot win or even finish well, that is just the way the sailboat racing game is played according to the RRS. The only penalty for missing a buoy and STILL finishing, is a DSQ.
As in any other game, whether practice or not, if you do not play the game according to the rules, then you are not racing, you are just sailing around at leisure.
I did not intend this whole incident as being directed at you personally. You, yourself, announced some uncertainty about your own rounding. I merely checked, and confirmed that you had not rounded (before the race had ended). I seem to have drawn down upon my own head accusations of nit-picking and worse, when all I expected was a disappointed 'thanx'.
If I fail to round a buoy correctly, I expect you (and anyone else) to call it to my attention.
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Posted by
Capt.D.P.


Users avatar

Posts
66
Registered at
2009-10-27 01:51:32
2011-03-19 20:06:50 - Re: GREAT LAKES SPRINT - Practice Racing
oh ROD,
don't give me the lessons on regatta sailing as am doing that in real life for over 50 years.

By the way in that race in question I had enough advantage to be able to make 270(or 360 if you wish) and still be first.I could have rounded the mark instead of making that triangle and would still be first.

We have the practice in this practice races if someone misses the mark for little to make the penalty(270 deg,or stop and go).

Therefore these are our rules.

Happy sailing ROD

Damir

Page: Previous 1 2 3 Next

Please login to post a reply.

Races

Next Race: 00d 00h 00m

Current Races:

Chinook Salmon - Canada to Andreanovs


A year after spawning in the upper reaches of the rivers of British Columbia, Chinook Salmon develop the age-old urge, so familiar to SOLers, to go to sea, heading for different parts of the northern Pacific Ocean. This race catches up with a particular school with an instinctive memory for the Andreanov Islands far west on the Aleutian Islands chain, as they depart the Salian Sea between Vancouver Island and the San Juans. It’s 2200nm and we’re taking the 60ft Trimaran, in the hope we can keep up!
Race #2048
INFOby brainaid.de
60ft Trimaran PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: MIG - SYC
Race starts: Jul 21st 11:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Juventud TIMED Race 2026

Welcome to Isla de la Juventud (Isle of Youth), Cuba’s second largest island after mainland Cuba. Known as a haven for pirates, the island was the inspiration for novels “Treasure Island” and “Peter Pan”. The circa 120nm course runs clockwise around the island.
This is a TIMEDrace so you may RE-REGISTER HEREto try again after finishing a run. You will have two weeks to test your skill and decision making after the race opens.
Race #2049
INFOby brainaid.de
The boat for this race is the sporty Mini 6.5p Foil PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
TRQ3 - TRCH - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Saturday,
1 August at 23:00 UTC
Race starts: Jul 19th 12:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Tall Ships 2026 - Antwerpen to Stavanger


Welcome to the third of four virtual Tall Ships Races in European waters which are concurrently being organized in-real-life by Sail Training International . This third race is from Antwerpen back up the North Sea to Stavanger in Norway – another proper tall ship training adventure of circa 450nm, online again in Sailonline’s classic Clipper 240.
NOTE: Starts and Finishes in tall ships racing are always offshore to avoid conflict with shipping and shipping lanes; online and real-life may not match exactly.
Race #1994
INFO by brainaid.de
Clipper 240 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: TSI - SUPBUD - SYC
Race starts: Jul 14th 16:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Lake Ontario 300 Challenge 2026

Lake Ontario Offshore Racing (LOOR) welcomes Sailonline sailors to a second virtual version of a race in their annual series, and for the sixth year in succession the LO300. As the name implies, the LO300 is a 300nm offshore race across the length and breadth of Lake Ontario, from and back to Port Credit YC. This year, for the first time, we will be racing the 300nm circuit in Sun Fast 3200s. As usual, there is an overall prize for the SOLer who best bosses Lake Ontario over the two races hosted by Sailonline, this LO300 and the Susan Hood raced back in May, and this year also the race and the Susan Hood count towards the title of Super Buddy 2026; so, let the competition be fierce!
Race #2044
INFOby brainaid.de
Sun Fast 3200 PARTICULARS
NAM_AWIP WX Updates:
0245 / 0845 / 1445 / 2045
Ranking: LOOR - SUPBUD - SYC
Race starts: Jul 11th 15:10 Registration Closed

▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Alaska to Easter Island 2026

Welcome to yet another all-new series. The initial leg of the RNW (Round the New World), Alaska to Easter Island, also part of our Ocean Championship. The first race of OCQ3 2026. This race will be sailed in our revised 'version 2' Imoca 60 Foil. Race #2042
INFO by brainaid.de
Imoca 60 Foil v2 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: OCQ3 - RNW - OCCH - SYC
Race starts: Jul 06th 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Cross the Convergence 2026 - Sao Tomé to Tristan

The fifth race of our series of ocean voyages across the World’s convergence zones takes us back south down the Atlantic from Sao Tomé on the Equator to Tristan da Cunha on the edge of the Roaring Forties. It’s 2500nm; in your path the Benguela winds and current along the south west African coast, and behind that the St Helena High stretching halfway to South America. So, mind where you go in your Volvo OD65 version 3 (based on sampled real-life race data by kroppyer)!
Race #1985
INFOby brainaid.de
Volvo OD65v3 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: CCZ - SYC
Race starts: Jul 03rd 18:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Go to race archive

SYC Ranking

  1. Sailonline Yacht Club Member KaSToR
  2. Sailonline Yacht Club Member WRmirekd
  3. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CriticalHippo
  4. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Panpyc
  5. Sailonline Yacht Club Member cdhinman
  6. Sailonline Yacht Club Member bonknhoot
  7. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rafa
  8. Sailonline Yacht Club Member ms0689
  9. Sailonline Yacht Club Member sassy63
  10. Sailonline Yacht Club Member ita10267

View full list

Series

Mobile Client

SYC members have the benefit of access to our mobile/lightweight web client!

The mobile client