Facebook

Login

Support Sailonline

If you haven't already - join the SAILONLINE YACHT CLUB!

Please also consider making a donation - all amounts are greatly appreciated!

Board » Sailonline Yacht Club » The "two boat rule".

Page: 1 2 3 Next

Posted by
WhyNot


Users avatar

Posts
51
Registered at
2011-02-03 18:39:54
2011-04-14 15:17:48 - The "two boat rule".
Dear Gods and Goddess.

My philosophy is that any question may be asked - as long as "No" is accepted as an answer.

Therefore:
While understanding the rules -
and desiring to follow the rules -
May I create a WhyNot2 - under the following conditions?:
She will be used only in practicing with WhyNot. Never in regular racing or in SOL practice racing. However, obviously - she must be entered into a race, where she will remain, at start, after the "Kaboom".

I have so many "What ifs" in my head that such practice would be of great value to me, in my never ending quest to better NED Arthur.

Remaining your obedient servant,

WhyNot

--- Last Edited by Tom Nordahl at 2011-04-14 15:20:12 ---
Posted by
Rod


Users avatar

Posts
392
Registered at
2010-06-24 22:30:48
2011-04-14 19:48:25 - Re: The "two boat rule".
To Tom Nordahl: A point that needs to be considered when dealing with the rules for ANY sport or game, is that if one exception can be made, how many other exceptions can then NOT BE DENIED?
There soon will develop a need for a "Rules Committee" to both judge these requests for exceptions to the rules, but also to determine if the conditions that were agreed to by the Committee are actually being followed.
I think most of us here are familiar with the Racing Rules of Sailing, and all the Protests and Protest Committees that are involved.
I just wonder if the SOL community would wish to get itself involved in such a situation.
Your idea of an "experimental forum" has a lot of merit, however. I am one who would love to test out ideas about 'cc vs twa', the actual timing of updates in relation to 'Mark rounding', as well as the timing of 'starting' in practice races. I have been attempting to accumulate 'anecdotal' experience with these matters, but it is difficult to justify doing things which would potentially cause 'my own loss' in races.
If it breaks, it's not strong enough--if it doesn't, it's too heavy.
Posted by
ShamrockPirate


Users avatar

Posts
189
Registered at
2010-12-03 17:49:57
2011-04-15 01:05:09 - Re: The "two boat rule".
Tom, Rod:
As I recall, we have had similar discussion in chat about trying to figure some of the "what is faster" options. I am making the assumption this is the premise for the query... to run 2 boats in similar conditions to see what works best and why. Is this correct?

To avoid any of the potential conflict as described, could you just enlist the help of a like-minded SOLer and do the same thing? For example, before a race opens, pre-determine who to work with and set up a plan (probably by e-mail) to test TWA vs CC vs VMG vs VMC.... whatever.... to the first mark. Since it all is happening in practice, no rank places are lost and it is all in the SOL-spirit of getting better. Maybe get more than one boat and test different aspects all at once.

I thing it would be a fun and useful exercise. If I totally missed the mark, disregard all the above. If not, count me in!!

SP
Posted by
A2


Users avatar

Posts
347
Registered at
2009-10-26 00:39:42
2011-04-15 02:07:01 - Re: The "two boat rule".
Perhaps the other purpose of the boat limit that is not being discussed is the load placed on the server and its database that accounts for all the boats in the system.

Which is why we seem to have buggy behavior in the game when there is a timed event underway.

No more players but lots of extra boats, even when most have finished and are no longer moving.
None so blind
Posted by
WhyNot


Users avatar

Posts
51
Registered at
2011-02-03 18:39:54
2011-04-15 08:11:13 - Re: The "two boat rule".
Rod & Hubert. Your points are well taken.Thank you.

Shamrock: Your solution is excellent. Not only would we see the deired result of "two options", but we would have the advantage of discussing in real-time.

Shall we give it a try?

Tom
Posted by
AGage


Users avatar

Posts
411
Registered at
2008-12-27 10:31:57
2011-04-15 08:35:24 - Re: The "two boat rule".
Just as IRL, the best boats here would have spent alot of time practising or otherwise accumulating SOL experience - I know a few world class dinghy sailors and how much effort they put in during the week (2 from my club just got a 3rd in the 505 world's held @ Hamilton Island ;)) - and indeed Rod, in club races I have often seen them drop places trying something out - not for awhile now granted, but my point is that they did at some point.

With so many races happenening here on SOL Tom, is it really so bad to throw away a few rankings in a few races knowing that (hopefully) it will mean knowledge which will take you further up the rankings in most all races you subsequently do?

And just as IRL 2 boat testing is the ideal,
I also suggest you find a SOL friend who you can share passwords with, and then actually login as both prerace and control both boats - as well as do things together at times.
I help develop the client interface for the best online ocean racing sim there is... __/)/)_/)__
Posted by
WhyNot


Users avatar

Posts
51
Registered at
2011-02-03 18:39:54
2011-04-15 14:03:28 - Re: The "two boat rule".
AGage said @ 2011-04-15 08:35:24:
With so many races happenening here on SOL Tom, is it really so bad to throw away a few rankings in a few races knowing that (hopefully) it will mean knowledge which will take you further up the rankings in most all races you subsequently do?
What you write, makes perfect sence, but the anwers I'm looking for - I have not yet been able to deduct during racing. Guys like yourself who always catch up and pass or always stay ahead and increase their lead - no matter what I do.
In a recent race, one caught up with me. My predictor told me that twa gave me more distance than cc. I went twa - the other guy something in between involving several minor course changes, passed me and after 6 hrs was almost 1/2 nm ahead. His speed not greater than mine (Brains proxy and NvMonPc). I'm sure I could have followed him and kept up, but so what? What would I learn?

I dont mind loosing positions if I learn something.

I want to create a controlled lab. environment where all parameters are known.

So I'll try to find a buddy like shamrock and others have suggested.

Tom
Posted by
Gilles


Users avatar

Posts
127
Registered at
2009-07-18 11:05:22
2011-04-15 17:50:46 - Re: The "two boat rule".
Tom, why you do not use simply the SOL boat?
login: sol
PW : sol

is there for experimenting!
just left a message in chat that you would like to use it for the day...
Posted by
Schakel


Users avatar

Posts
183
Registered at
2008-12-19 09:19:00
2011-04-16 10:46:13 - Re: The "two boat rule".
Unless it was changed recently, the chat is disabled for the sol account due to abuse.

Moot point, Gilles: technically speaking you and your compatriots have been breaking the rule as well by registering your own boats "for chat purposes" in races in which your team boat raced. That's more than 1 boat registered and nowhere does it say your (chat) boat actually needs to be moving.

So, let the dude have his 2nd boat to play around with. He wouldn't be the first and he certainly won't be the last. He just has the courtesy to ask politely.

If there still are objections, Tom can "boatsit" and "share" mine as much as he wants.

Tom, just visit my blog at http://tinyurl.com/2eu24vz (shameless plug), leave a comment at any post with your email addy (will never be posted!) and just do your thing.

Cheers,
Philip (rebel without a cause)
Posted by
felippico


Users avatar

Posts
1
Registered at
2011-01-06 11:54:19
2011-04-16 11:59:55 - Re: The "two boat rule".
In my opinion, if Tom is not "racing" with more than one boats, he's not breaking any rule.
He's going to register 2 boats with nearly the same name, he was fair, he can't do any trick.

Leave him do what he want.

My 2 cent's :-)

Page: 1 2 3 Next

Please login to post a reply.

Races

Next Race: 00d 00h 00m

Current Races:

Koshiki PYOC Sprint 2025


For the first time since 2017 we return to the islands and shima’s offshore Nagasaki, Japan. This time our crafts of choice are X-35’s. Just 23nm in a straight line but choose your course wisely.
Race 1954
INFO by brainaid.de
X-35 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
SPQ3 - SPRCH - SUPSOL - SYC
Race starts: Sep 20th 15:00 Registration will open soon
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Silverrudder 2025


Ahoy, SOLers! Get ready for the epic Silver Rudder – Challenge of the Sea! This 125nm single-handed race around Denmark’s island of Funen is back—shallow waters, narrow straits, and shifting winds await. This year, we trade up to our single-handed X-99s—can you master their power where precision counts most? It’s the world’s largest solo regatta, and your virtual helm is calling! Chart your course, trust your instincts, and race for glory in this ultimate test of seamanship!

It is imperative that you read AND understand these special Starting Conditions for SILVERRUDDER 2025:
Starting Conditions!!
Race #1948
INFO by brainaid.de
X-99 Single-handed PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC
Race starts: Sep 19th 09:00 Registration Open!

▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Rome to Tripoli 2025


The next race in the ARCH series will take us almost straight from Rome to Tripoli. But don't expect this 550nm race to be an easy one. The Mediterranean always offers some surprises. So let's prepare your Lagoon 55 with due care and... Fair Winds.
Race #1943
INFO from brainaid.de
Lagoon 55 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
ARQ3 - ARCH - SUPSOL – SYC
Race starts: Sep 15th 17:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Carib Rum Run 2025

Welcome to the Caribbean and Sailonline’s legendary Carib Rum Run! This year we trade tall ships for pure speed as we race our sleek Santa Cruz 70s on a 1759nm slalom through the rum islands. Yer mission: plunder barrels from the region’s finest distilleries and deliver ‘em to the rum-thirsty sands of Cancun, Mexico. Finish on or before International Talk Like a Pirate Day, 19 September, to etch yer name in legend! Join SYC before race end and ye scallywags can disguise yer boat with a pirate name for this race only! Hoist the sails, sharpen yer cutlasses—the rum run awaits!
Race #1944
INFO by brainaid.de
Santa Cruz 70 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC
Race starts: Sep 15th 00:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Roslagen TIMED Sea Race

Welcome to quite possibly the most challenging TIMED race of the year. This month finds us in Sweden with lots of islands and narrow passages when we sail our Seacart 30 trimaran over the 86nm from Lidingö outside Stockholm to the beautiful coastal village of Öregrund. Consider yourself a winner if you complete the course nonstop! This is a TIMEDrace so you may RE-REGISTER HEREto try again after finishing a run. You will have 13 days and 11 hours to test your skill and decision making after the race opens.
Race #1945
INFO by brainaid.de
Seacart 30 Particulars
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
TRQ3 - TRCH - SUPSOL - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Saturday,
20 September at 23:00 UTC
Race starts: Sep 07th 12:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Great Nicobar to Marion Island 2025

The Adventure Continues – Leg #6 of the RWW Series.
We’re setting sail on the next stage of the RWW Series: a 4,400-nautical-mile passage from Great Nicobar to Marion Island. This demanding leg will test endurance, strategy, and seamanship at the highest level. As part of the 2025 Ocean Championship, this marks the ninth legendary challenge in the series — and one of the most exhilarating yet. The race will be contested aboard the Archer 78’ ketch, a vessel built to push sailors to their limits across the vast Indian Ocean.
PRIZE: SMPF
Race #1942
INFO by brainaid.de
Archer 78 PARTICULARS    
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230    
Ranking: OCQ3 - RWW - OCCH - SUPSOL - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Thursday,
September 25 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Sep 01st 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Go to race archive

SYC Ranking

  1. Sailonline Yacht Club Member vida
  2. Sailonline Yacht Club Member WRmirekd
  3. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CriticalHippo
  4. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rafa
  5. Sailonline Yacht Club Member KaSToR
  6. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Kipper1258
  7. Sailonline Yacht Club Member BRENTGRAY
  8. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Sax747
  9. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Panpyc
  10. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CollegeFund

View full list

Series

Mobile Client

SYC members have the benefit of access to our mobile/lightweight web client!

The mobile client