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2016-11-23 12:26:37 - DNS or DNC?
Viva SRC.

If a boat is registered for a race, starts it and then doesn’t finish in due time, she gets a “DNF” (Did Not Finished).
But, if a boat didn’t even registered for a race, so she couldn’t even start it, why does she get a “DNS” instead of a “DNC” (Did Not Compete)?

Big Hug to all.
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2016-11-23 16:40:29 - Re: DNS or DNC?
A boat must be registered for a race to get any attention at all. If registered, but doesn't cross the start line, she gets DNS. If does cross the start line but not the finish line (having properly turned all marks of the course) then she is DNF. If she 'slept in'on the morning of the race and never registered for that race, but is on the list of possible competitors for a series of races, then she gets a DNC.
You have to be a corporation lawyer to properly understand the Racing Rules of Sailing--and all the interpretations that follow a Protest...!!! (Just kidding about the law degree---well, a bit maybe.)

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2016-11-24 15:00:15 - Re: DNS or DNC?
Hi ;)

in addition to what has already been said , I remind you that at the beginning of 2015 the SYC rules have changed , and we needed to assign correct and " fixed in stone " points to those boats that were competing but not SYC members , for the sake of assigning points and therefore series rankings ( in case of SYC registration at later date )

We adopted the DNC code for those boats , to differentiate from DNS.

So , in theory , and I hope also in practice , two boats that do not start but have registered , should be DNS if SYC members at the time , or DNC if not . The non SYC boats remain DNC throughout even if finished . Their position is counted , but they get DNC points.

DNF should be only a SYC member that did not finish the race ( for points purposes ).

Hope clear...Let me know please if there is anything non working this way .

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2016-11-25 13:10:07 - Re: DNS or DNC?
Viva Rod and Piero,

Good afternoon.

Rod, always a sharp eye on the subjects.

Without any reasonable doubt, we are tuned 100% on this one, the DNS - DNC definitions and respective application.

And we didn’t even appeal for a specialist Lawyer to interpret the meaning of both.
Before the Law there is something called “common sense”.
After it, and kindly reminded by our Grande Commodore Piero - there are the SYC rules and definitions.

This one is now for SRC.

If I didn’t registered for the “Lisboa TIMED Race 2016” and the “TransAt TIMED Race 2016 - Boston to Plymouth”, why did I got on both a “DNC”, and for the remaining, also non registered #16 races, I’ve got a DNS?

Probably I’m missing something obvious.

Rod and Piero,
a BIG Hug.
Sail Fair.
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2016-11-26 12:25:30 - Re: DNS or DNC?
Viva Joao ;)

thanks for raising the point re your DNSs and DNCs ....

Within the SRC I still have the responsibility of rankings , that I accurately check after each Championship race . I will look into it and let you know the soonest .

Piero
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2016-11-26 12:43:11 - Re: DNS or DNC?
Joao ;)

further to above ( quick eh ? ) ;)

you are totally correct . The codes fro psail in the two Timed should be DNS , as still in presence of SYC membership .

My best guess is that the anomaly is due to the different approach we have given the server to check for SYC membership at the end of a race , to assign points or DNC . In fleet races this is done at the time each individual boat crosses the finish line , whilst in Timed it is done ( to avoid confusions with multiple runs ) when the race closes down. This is only my guess though .

I will draw Markku's attention on this technical aspect you raised , but IMO it is not priority , as the good news , that you arleady know , are that DNS and DNC attribute the same points , and therefore we still have rankings integrity with present situation.

Ciaoooooooooooooooooooo

Piero
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2016-11-26 15:19:34 - Re: DNS or DNC?
Viva Piero,

Good afternoon and thank you for your reply.

A Big Hug.
Sail Fair.

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