Facebook

Login

Support Sailonline

If you haven't already - join the SAILONLINE YACHT CLUB!

Please also consider making a donation - all amounts are greatly appreciated!

Board » General Discussion » Handicap Results

Page: Previous 1 2

Posted by
Chappo


Users avatar

Posts
53
Registered at
2009-04-17 12:00:35
2011-05-27 04:21:51 - Re: Handicap Results
Thanks 76, so I am talking about performance handicapping since the yachts are all one design (in most races)but some yachts have "more hot shots on board" and with their own meteorologist so they usually finish towards the top. Performance handicapping means those yachts get to drag some buckets around the course to offset the extra skill on board. The hot shots still get their scratch glory but the battlers get a little handicap glory. It is interesting watching the Sydney Hobart race and the absolute media focus on the line honours result but amongst the devotees, there is still a lot of interest and respect for the handicap winner (although I agree this is boat handicapping).
Posted by
76Trombones


Users avatar

Posts
362
Registered at
2009-08-03 18:04:56
2011-05-27 12:31:22 - Re: Handicap Results
Here's a quick workup for those interested.

The example has 7 boats in a 20 race series. Boats A,B,C,D have mostly consistent performances, with A being the fleet "ringer". "Inconsistent" has more random results, "Intermittent" is one of those boats that tends to win a few races mixed in with a lot of DNF, while "Improving" starts out near the back of the field but gets better almost every race.

The example uses pretty simple adjustment to your rating. Each race result is weighted. Note that the result that changes your rating is corrected time. It gets progressively harder to improve your score as you improve.

The spreadsheet shows DNF as scoring because I uploaded the wrong version, but it works for sake of argument. With DNFs included, "Intermittent" wins almost every race they participate in on corrected time. Drop DNFs and the scoring is more robust. Allowing boats to opt out of scoring individual races is an option, but a similar effect can be had by setting a threshold for inclusion of a race (so that cruising or extended BBQ races don't inflate subsequent results) or using a non-linear weighting.

Performance handicapping doesn't replace the leaderboard. The *overall* goal for individual boats is to reduce their handicap to as close to 1 as possible, not to win races on corrected time. This is why it makes sense for boats to drop "off" races - no benefit from padding the stats. What the corrected time results *do* reward is improvement/effort.

Dovetailing with the SYC, members would show their handicap in the leaderboard. Non-members would either rank based on an invisible "1" rating, or not at all. (former makes sense to me for in-race consistency and motivation)

For the spreadsheet, you can adjust starting handicap (mostly irrelevant on SOL) and race weight in the first few rows. Results can be regenerated by pressing f9. Feel free to modify!

76T
Attachments
Posted by
Chappo


Users avatar

Posts
53
Registered at
2009-04-17 12:00:35
2011-05-28 12:02:19 - Re: Handicap Results
That is a clever worksheet 76, nice work. Your results seem to bear out the trend I would expect to see with the ringer's handicap results moving back to the middle of the fleet; a yacht that finished 8 over the line in one race, winning the next so naturally they get a handicap win (or do very well)and the handicaps approaching 1 as the number of races grows. I agree DNF or BBQ races should be excluded, my idea was to only do say the top 80% of finish times or say the first 300. I see you have treated a DNF result as an equal first as you have for "Intermittent" 4 times so that certainly distorts the result. You could put in a race result of say 1.5 being worse than the last place which corrects the DNF distortion but probably distorts the DNF yachts future handicap rating so better to leave that race out in some 76 creative way and let the previous good race handicap be the on going handicap. I think it is a good method and could give members some more motivating SOL challenges.

Page: Previous 1 2

Please login to post a reply.

Races

Next Race: 00d 00h 00m

Current Races:

Doha Basra TIMED Race 2026

Welcome to Kuwait for a short 78 nm TIMED race from the port of Doha (not to be confused with Doha, Qatar) to Basra, Iraq. Jazirat Light on Auha Island is the only mark to observe, leaving it to port. The Beneteau First 40.7v2 racer-cruiser is our ride this month. This is a TIMEDrace so you may RE-REGISTER HEREto try again after finishing a run. You will have 13 days and 11 hours to test your skill and decision making after the race opens.
Race #2008
INFOby brainaid.de
First 40.7v2 Particulars
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
TRQ1 - TRCH - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Saturday,
28 February at 23:00 UTC
Race starts: Feb 15th 12:00 Registration will open soon
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

San Diego Islands Race 2026


Sailonline is proud to once again partner with the San Diego Yacht Club for the annual Islands Race! This iconic offshore challenge spans approximately 140 nautical miles, starting in Long Beach, rounding the Catalina Islands, and finishing in San Diego. Shifting coastal winds and tactical island roundings will test every sailor’s judgment and nerve.

This year, our SOLers will race the Ker 40, a proven high-performance design by Jason Ker and built by McConaghy Boats. Fast, responsive, and demanding, the Ker 40 rewards precision and smart strategy. The competition will be tight. Every decision will count. See you on the start line!
Race #2009
INFO by brainaid.de
Ker 40 PARTICULARS
NAM_AWIP WX Updates:
0245 / 0845 / 1445 / 2045
Ranking:
SUPBUD - SYC
Race starts: Feb 13th 20:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Cross the Convergence 2026 - Samoa to Hawaii


The second race of our new series of ocean voyages across the World’s convergence zones, takes us northward again up the Pacific Ocean, now from Samoa at 13.5 degrees South, across the Equator to Hawaii, famed for its breaking surf and active volcanoes, on the edge of the Tropic of Cancer at 19.5 degrees North. It’s 2300nm, so we’ll take our very steady Steinlager II. Race #1982
INFOby brainaid.de
Steinlager IIPARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: CCZ - SYC
Race starts: Feb 06th 18:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Beketov by Balloon 2026 - In Siberia


Way-back-when France and England, and Spain as well, were squabbling about who should control what of North America, only to lose the most of it to their own insurging colonists, their eastern European neighbour empire, Russia, was quietly assimilating vast, thinly nomadically populated territory of its own – Siberia! Amongst the many explorers and adventurers that served Russia so well in these conquests was the Cossack hetman Pyotr Beketov. Let’s pretend we’re he and eschewing horseback, let’s travel by balloon from Yekaterinberg to Krasnoyarsk – just a short 2000km (1100nm) section of the Trans-Siberian Express’ 9289km!
Race #1972
INFOby brainaid.de
SOL Balloon PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: BOL - SYC
Race starts: Feb 03rd 13:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

West Papua to Oregon 2026

Our next race in our Ocean Championships is the first of a series of great natural migrations we will track in 2026. The leatherback turtle is the most widely distributed marine reptile on planet Earth, and chooses to breed in warm tropical waters, but prefers to forage in more temperate habitats, travelling thousands and thousands of miles effortlessly annually to maintain this way of life. Our race will follow one of the typical trips of this turtle, from breeding grounds in the seas off West Papua to the coast of Oregon. It’s only 5900nm, so to keep up, but in comfort, we’ll follow in our Gunboat 90.
Race #2006
INFO by brainaid.de
GB 90 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: OCQ1 - OCCH - MIG - SYC
Race starts: Feb 02nd 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Go to race archive

SYC Ranking

  1. Sailonline Yacht Club Member KaSToR
  2. Sailonline Yacht Club Member WRmirekd
  3. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CriticalHippo
  4. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rafa
  5. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rumskib
  6. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Sax747
  7. Sailonline Yacht Club Member vida
  8. Sailonline Yacht Club Member bonknhoot
  9. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Panpyc
  10. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Kipper1258

View full list

Series

Mobile Client

SYC members have the benefit of access to our mobile/lightweight web client!

The mobile client