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Board » General Discussion » Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.

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2009-01-01 19:22:06 - Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
I think your instructions, leave Cape Barrens waypoint to starboard are a bit vague. You should of put pass Cape Barren to Starboard/right or Port/left and in this case it is to Port/Left. I'm passing Cape Barren Way Point to Starboard about 80 miles out and won't be going back.
English is my one and only language.
I see others have done the same.
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2009-01-01 19:30:30 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
Hi. I wrote the instructions in english as good as I could although my native language is swedish :-) We always try to be as correct as possible and maybe are unintentionally incorrect now and then. Looking at the course it is quite obvious (I thought) that we shall pass west of Barren, why else would we have that waypoint? You may naturally sail where you like but the server will not let you finish unless you pass on the correct side. Sorry if I was unclear.
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2009-01-01 19:47:44 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
Oh well looks like the end of my race and a few others as well. Bye.
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2009-01-01 19:54:59 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
I agree with Jakob. The instructions is clear. Why have a WP if you dont need to round it.
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2009-01-02 22:17:29 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
I can only agree. It was very clear. I addition, it was discussed in detail in Chat already at the race Sydney to Hobart. And also in detail at the start of the race Hobart - Sydney. Then also at the start, it was clear that the majority of boats headed to go west of Barren. So its quite hard to believe anyone missed it, but if so, comon and go for next race!
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2009-01-03 11:03:45 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
I support Jacob - there can be no valid complaint about unclear instructions - way-points are included for a reason, and any competent sailor should be able to see the reason without explanation. If it is impossible to sail behind a way-point because it is on a headland then it is clear we have to follow the sea route. If the way-point is on an island and if, had it not been there we would be free to pass either side of the island, then it is clear that the way-point must be present to define a certain route. In the Cape Baron Island case, it is obvious that the route to take is to the West of the island as to go East is the easy route we would have taken had the way-point not been present. So - enough of the bleating on about it!!
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2009-01-03 17:43:34 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
As a native English speaker who races regularly on San Francisco Bay, every race instruction I've seen that said "leave mark X to starboard" meant go to the left side of the mark, so that you see it on your starboard side. So leaving aside the argument about why one would have a waypoint to begin with, Jakob is correct and his English skills are just fine.
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2009-01-03 22:21:24 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
Hmm - if you are the same "Trev" who charmingly wrote "Toru wanker", in the chat when I attempted a humourous response to your question about the waypoint (the joke only because the same question had been asked over and over for the previous hour), then you should have seen the answers that I and others gave to questions on this subject well before we even reached Cape Barren.

I agree with others that the instructions were perfectly clear.
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2009-01-04 15:14:45 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
Well I am not a native english but the instruction was clear "leave the waypoint to starboard" is not possible to explaine else than leave the waypoint on the right of your boat.
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2009-01-08 11:10:31 - Re: Protest Hobart Sydney. Cape Barrens Waypoint.
Winston is quite right. It was clear.
If i say do not use your left hand, or use your right hand, the instruction is the same.
Here the analagy is the same, pass to port, or leave the mark to starboeard is the same.
Personally I say, "Pass THE port" and have a good time" *smiles*



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