Facebook

Login

Support Sailonline

If you haven't already - join the SAILONLINE YACHT CLUB!

Please also consider making a donation - all amounts are greatly appreciated!

Board » General Discussion » Weather Routing

Hi all,
I've joined SOL so I can learn to compete in long ocean races manually rather than use an automated weather router. Problem is, I don't have the foggiest ideaon where to start! I've had a look around the internet, but haven't been able to find anything for beginners to this, other than some blogs such as SOL's 76trombones.

I appreciate the concepts of VMG and VMC in getting to a point, but at tbr moment I have no idea on where that point should be based on other things such as the weather. A couple of questions I have are:

- Do you work forwards, i.e. look at where you can be in 6, 12 hours etc, or work backwards and look at where you want to be in 2-3 days and route based on that?
- Is there some sort of rule about straying to far from the GC? I can't imagine its wise to add an extra 100 miles to the route for an extra half knot of wind.

I really want to try and get better at this, so any info you have for a begginer would be much appreciated. Also, if anyone is aware of any other media (books or websites etc), that would also be bery helpful!

Thanks in advance!!
Hi Jim

I've picked things up gradually by experimentation and trying to understand what the better SOLers are doing. We are a friendly bunch especially in the chat, so I've learnt a lot of little lessons since joining here.

Some of my tips:
- Try to understand what the top 10 ranked SOLers are up to. If all of them head 30 deg away from the rhumb line, there will be a very good reason. Ask them why, see what happens, learn from what they do.
- To begin with play the long term game on ocean races. Don't worry too much about hour to hour changes. Ignore the ranking until the end. Aim to compete with SOLers of a similar ability rather than the very best (to begin with anyway). Aim for the top 100, then the top 50, then top 25. You have to be very very good to compete for the top 10 - not many get there even after a couple of years, and most not at all.
- Learn the details on shorter races or practice races. VMC, VMG, playing wind shifts etc - all easier to see how the work over an hour or two, or a day. The longer races have a lot more going on and once you are 6 hours behind, you are in a different race.
- Break a race up into manageable chunks. Say the race is 2 days long. Break it up into 6 hour periods. Work backwards from the finish. Work forwards from the start. Explore a few different options using the polar, the weather forecast and a calculator. Predict where you will be for each period. Then look at the first period in more detail. How do you get to the end of the first period in the best position?
- Investigate why different options worked or didn't. We have up to 1000 playing a game, so there are many variables being played out. That we end up so far apart at the finish with identical boats shows how important navigation is.
- Don't worry about stuff ups. We all make them. They are part of learning when to be aggressive or conservative, or even just learning how to play the game.
- Enjoy it!

Cheers, Kevin

Please login to post a reply.

Races

Next Race: 00d 00h 00m


Current Races:

PIC Coastal Classic Yacht Race 2025

Welcome back to Auckland for the 2025 PIC Coastal Classic! In partnership with the New Zealand Multihull Yacht Club, Sailonline is thrilled to race this iconic 118nm dash to Russell. First sailed in 1982 and inspired by early powerboat runs, it’s now a legendary multihull showdown. This year we race Ocean 50 foiling trimarans—fast, agile, and built for offshore performance. Expect tactical challenges, adrenaline-fueled downwind legs, and nail-biting lulls. Finish line rewards? Bacon butties, rum, and bragging rights in beautiful Russell!
Race #1950
INFO by brainaid.de
Ocean 50 PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC
RACE CLOSE: Thursday,
October 30 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Oct 24th 22:30 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Port Huron to Mackinac 2025


First run in 1925, the race from Huron to Mackinac is considered to be the world's longest consecutively run freshwater sailing race. Let's go - 260nm in X-362 Sport's awaits!!
Throw away unnecessary ballast from your boats. Fresh water has less buoyancy, which means greater draft and greater resistance to movement, which means lower speeds, etc.😊
Race #1959
INFO from brainaid.de
X-362 sport PARTICULARS
NAM_AWIP WX Updates:
0245 / 0845 / 1445 / 2045
Ranking:
ARQ4 - ARCH - SUPSOL - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Monday,
October 27 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Oct 20th 17:00 Registration Open!
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Sinbad by Balloon 2025 - Carnarvon to Dondra


From here, our home in Bharatavarṣa is now north west of us – said Sinbad to his fellow balloonists. Perhaps we can ride the wind first further north, and then catch the winds that every year bring the rain, perhaps not. It’s 2600nm and we could be aloft awhile, so, Master el-Quarters, victuals only, no sandbags, provisioning the giant hamper. It will be not a picnic!
Race #1886
INFOby brainaid.de
SOL Balloon PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: SYC - SBB
Race starts: Oct 15th 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Alicante TIMED Race 2025

Welcome to beautiful Alicante on Spain’s Costa Blanca. Dine on some local tapas and paella before racing your America’s Cup foiling winged-sail AC72 catamaran on this 208nm race out to and around Isla de Formentera returning to Alicante after rounding the mark at Cap de la Nau. There should be some very fast times! This is a TIMEDrace so you may RE-REGISTER HEREto try again after finishing a run. You will have 13 days and 11 hours to test your skill and decision making after the race opens.
Race #1958
INFOby brainaid.de
AC72v2 Particulars
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking:
TRQ4 - TRCH - SUPSOL - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Saturday,
25 October at 23:00 UTC
Race starts: Oct 12th 12:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Marion Island to Fernando de Noronha 2025

The adventure continues as we launch the next to last leg of the RWW series. This leg takes us from Marion Island to Fernando de Noronha, an island in the world heritage archipelago with the same name, 220 nm off the coast of Brazil. This race doubles up as #7 of RWW and #10 of OCCH. A 4400 nm journey of endurance, strategy and pure adrenaline. The RWW series is as whole, part of the 2025 ocean championship. Get ready for this exhilarating challenge as we set sail on the third to last leg of the 2025 Ocean Championship Series! This leg will be raced aboard the Judel Vrolijk 62, pushing sailors to their limits as they navigate the open ocean. Do you have what it takes to conquer the Southern Atlantic? Join us and put your skills to the ultimate test!
PRIZE: SMPF
Race #1955
INFO by brainaid.de
JV 62 PARTICULARS    
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230    
Ranking: OCQ4 - RWW - OCCH - SUPSOL - SYC
RACE CLOSE: Thursday,
October 30 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Oct 06th 11:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Camel or Balloon 2025 - Khartoum to N'Djamena


As there is a lull in the calendar, your PRO has decided to risk an experiment – a balloon race over land, using a workaround to eliminate the recognition of water/land transitions. If it fails, the server may crash, and we abandon PDQ, hopefully after leg 7 of the ABS race to Suez has been decided, and before the start of the 1st OCC of Q4. Camel or Balloon – c 1000 nm from a field on the north bank of the Blue Nile at Khartoum to a field on the north bank of the Chari River at N'Djamena!
Race #1956
INFOby brainaid.de
SOL Balloon PARTICULARS
WX Updates:
0430 / 1030 / 1630 / 2230
Ranking: none
RACE CLOSE: Sunday,
October 26 at 2300 UTC.
Race starts: Sep 28th 09:00 Registration Closed
▶ Flash
GO TO RACE

Go to race archive

SYC Ranking

  1. Sailonline Yacht Club Member KaSToR
  2. Sailonline Yacht Club Member vida
  3. Sailonline Yacht Club Member WRmirekd
  4. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CriticalHippo
  5. Sailonline Yacht Club Member rafa
  6. Sailonline Yacht Club Member CollegeFund
  7. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Kipper1258
  8. Sailonline Yacht Club Member BRENTGRAY
  9. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Panpyc
  10. Sailonline Yacht Club Member Sax747

View full list

Series

Mobile Client

SYC members have the benefit of access to our mobile/lightweight web client!

The mobile client