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2019-04-23 15:48:28 - Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Dear SOLers,
I just learned that the Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019 race was also canceled and, as a "virtual winner", I want to express my disagreement ...
In spite of myself, I "accept" the decision, but I believe that the reasons written in the official SRC document are absolutely debatable and have not considered the following reasons:
1) During the Mami-Lisbon race (canceled due to problems with the classification of some boats) I was first in the leading group but the reasons given for the cancellation were clear and unexceptionable. The Technical Team has objectively verified that a software problem has slowed down some boats and this is clearly an irrevocable decision;
2) During the Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019 race, at the time of the server crash, I was first with more than a mile ahead (second Beliberda) and after the server reactivation I was always first with a similar advantage over the second (Bimmer?);
3) I've always been at the top of the Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019 race since the first miles;
4) All the boats in the race have suffered the same problem in an absolutely equal way and, consequently, all the participants have suffered a similar damage without having created conditions of advantage for the leader;
5) At the end of the race I won with an advantage of about 2.5 miles over the second (similar before the crash);
6) By admission of the same SRC, no one participant in the race has presented an official protest;

I'm convinced that if the consequences of the technical problem fall on SOL users, there is only the risk of discouraging users from participating in SOL races.

I’m a SOL partner and I don't want to see SOL decline: I think the right time has come to try to re-emerge.

I kindly ask You to write Your opinion.

In a nutshell, I only accept "motivated" decisions and don’t accept decisions based on "hypotheses" ...

Soon You will have news about my stay in SOL.

Fair Winds to all.
Carlo Alberto

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2019-04-23 18:50:30 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
(In real races, the "server crash" problem does not exist. In SOL we need to understand what to decide in case of "server crash".
Can we imagine that a "server crash" is similar to a "break on board" that hit everyone at the same time?
I believe this is the right choice ...)
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2019-04-24 05:39:35 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
No one answers?
Perhaps no one has noticed that the reason given for the cancellation of the score in Boston to Plymouth is the following:
"SRC recognizes that this lack of access has compromised the finishing line of many yachts in the Galera race in a manner that cannot be rectified and that some yachts in the Plymouth race may also have been compromised".
Writing "some yachts in the Plymouth race may also have been compromised", in the next races, at the slightest problem with the server or with the weather update, anyone (even the last in the rankings) will be able to officially protest and demand the cancellation of the race reporting as an example this official document.

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2019-04-24 06:00:30 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Yes, i have noticed the SRC comments.

8 hour serverdrop is a big one, and ofcourse does affect some boats. Maybe not yours.
"Can we imagine that a "server crash" is similar to a "break on board" that hit everyone at the same time?"
No, since operators do live in diff timezones.

so, no comment.

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2019-04-24 07:07:26 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Dikk,
thanks for your answer, I hope others SOLers write their opinion to help improve SOL roules.
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2019-04-24 07:08:35 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
One last consideration and then I close the topic.

"SOL RULES OF RACING (‘ SRR ’) 2018"
- Rule 8 "Protest Procedures".
Rule 8 provides that "When the leaderboard has been updated the race results will be declared official and prizes (if involved) will be attributed and delivered."
If the ranking will be confirmed, by posting the result on the SOL home page, and the cancellation of points and prizes will be confirmed, this decision, in my opinion, violates rule 8 ...
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2019-04-27 11:29:31 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Hi all,
I actually agree with Carlo Alberto; although I can say that the server crash caused me a damage, as I didn't have dc but was ready to maneuver immediatly after we started to head SE and as a consequence couldn't follow the route I planned, I think that there has not been a serious distortion in the ranking. The race was the second attempt in 15 days, and no official protest has been presented, so I think that to nullify the ranking because "some yachts in the Plymouth race may also have been compromised" is too ambiguous; we need to have a clear rule about similar circumstances, as also a late wx update "may" compromise the race of some boats.
With all due respect to who had to make the decision

Andrea

--- Last Edited by aner59 at 2019-04-27 11:30:24 ---
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2019-04-27 16:52:38 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
While I understand the frustration, (mine included), I think the solution may be to have some tech guys in opposite time zones - Auzzie & USA west coast come to mind who can be given the protocol to reset the server
Just saying
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2019-05-12 10:14:03 - Re: Result Boston to Plymouth TransAt 2019
Hopefully, SOLers and/or chums that they know who may have the relevant expertise(a) will step forward to volunteer!

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